“The Facts Cannot Be Denied” – a Conversation with Dr Luc Montagnier

By Deborah Hayes, BSc(Hons), CCH, RSHom(NA), NTP


This article was published in The American Homeopath Journal, Volume 18, 2012, and is reproduced with permission.

The homeopathic community was honored to have Dr Luc Montagnier as a speaker at the 2012 Joint Annual Homeopathic Conference in Reston, VA.  Dr Montagnier was awarded the 2008 Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine as a result of his work identifying HIV as the cause of AIDS.  Some of his more recent research has led him in an unexpected and controversial direction, showing that certain dilutions of bacterial and viral DNA sequences can emit low frequency electromagnetic waves. 

These electromagnetic signals carry information about the DNA.  Under certain conditions, the electromagnetic signals from a tube containing a highly diluted solution of DNA sequences can transmit information to a second tube containing only purified water.  If the chemicals for polymerase chain reaction are added to the signalized water in the second tube, the original DNA sequence can be duplicated with 98-100% accuracy.  In his presentation, Dr Montagnier also explained that in his most recent research, his team had transmitted the electromagnetic signals digitally between computers and had succeeded in replicating the DNA in a distant laboratory.

The results suggest that nanostructures comprised of water molecules are produced as a result of the EMS. These nanostructures, which Dr Montagnier terms “naneons,” are destroyed by temperatures over 70°C, by electromagnetic fields and by freezing.  Dr Montagnier pointed out that the water in our bodies is comprised of nanostructures.  His physicist colleagues propose that the stable nanostructures in water emerge as coherent quantum domains that are surrounded by an electron cloud, are relatively stable and have the ability to carry information when diluted to a sufficiently high degree.

Dr Montagnier posited that perhaps the DNA double helix itself is not read, but rather it is the water structure that surrounds it that carries the essential information: “Without water, the double helix cannot stand.”

Homeopaths will find it particularly interesting that in order to produce the electromagnetic signal, the diluted sample had to be succussed.

At the end of his presentation, Dr Montagnier received a standing ovation and was practically mobbed by members of the audience, who were eager to shake his hand.  Dr Montagnier was gracious enough to pose for photographs with many of his admirers.  I was able to speak with him for a few minutes before he had to leave.

Deborah Hayes: You have been treated as if you are a rock star! What do you make of your reception by the homeopathic community?

Luc Montagnier: It touches me, because, you know sometimes, while I’m not discouraged by certain negative reactions, still it is touching to have such a positive response. But ignorance still exists, and the will of some people is to demolish everything I say.  

I am not alone in this fight, but we are a minority of scientists, and the majority of scientists still want to eliminate everything which is linked with Jacques Benveniste and homeopathy, especially in France.  But Benveniste was an honest man; he had difficulty proving what he found because he was working with biological systems.  He was measuring biological activity.  On the contrary, we are starting with measuring the signals of chemical structures, which are developed in water, so we don’t have difficulty in reproducing these structures. 

We have to take into account that if two plastic tubes are close together, one control and one containing DNA emitting something, the control can capture some of the information in the water from electromagnetic radiation. The second problem is human beings.  If you have too many people in a room where you are doing the experiment it can fail.  We discovered this more recently when we tried to export our technology. So many people were so interested to observe the experiment at the same time. We realized that not more than two people could be in the same lab for the experiment. 

DH: To what do you attribute that?

LM:  The fact is that people are also emitting waves.  And some, for unknown reasons, are emitting waves that will counteract the waves that we are measuring.  So definitely, the experiments are reproduced in labs in several parts of the world, but our colleagues must take precautions and follow our protocol.

DH: Your work involves using a vortex to reproduce the process of succession.  What led you to do this?

LM: In the beginning we used and adapted mostly the techniques of Jacques Benveniste.

DH: Where do you think your work takes us in terms of where homeopathic research needs to go next?

LM: I am pursuing my own research.  But I keep an open mind to homeopathic research.

DH: Can you explain to our readers who were not able to attend your talk today, and who may not be familiar with your work, what are the key outcomes of your research?

LM: The key is that first, there are waves, low frequency waves that transmit information, like submarines talking to each other. One can hypothesize that these waves may help explain the origin of life.  There is much research now in science that is just analytical, essentially trying to see which genes are expressed at certain times. This is important. But it doesn’t show what is the engine of these processes.  In embryogenesis, there is a harmonious succession of gene expression that is originated from the DNA.  I believe this is mediated by the waves emitted by DNA.  The genes are expressed in a precise order; the DNA is played like the notes in a musical symphony.  So it is a way to explain the origin of a complex individual, like ourselves. 

DH: And water is very important.

LM: Water, of course, is key, and waves. 

DH: The memory of water.

LM: Yes, the memory of water. In homeopathy that of course fits.  Carrying accurate information.

DH: Yesterday at the conference there was a presentation by Jeremy Sherr about his work on the treatment of AIDS in Africa using homeopathy. He has shown cures with levels of virus dropping to undetectable levels.

LM: Possibly, but the problem with HIV/AIDS is that the situation varies from one patient to another.  It is very difficult to make a statistical study.  There are several types of variability. We are trying to study these variabilities in terms of DNA emission, EMS transmission and co-factors.  It’s very complex.

DH: Do you think that that the scientific community will accept the idea of transmission of information via the memory of water, of your work?

LM: This will come.  We are making progress, slowly, but definitely in being reproduced by other laboratories.

DH: Do you think they will ever accept the tenets of homeopathy?

LM: Why not?  They are facts, you know.  If one can explain the homeopathic phenomena in a rational way, if you show there are people cured by homeopathy, the facts cannot be denied.

DH: People do try to deny it!

LM: People do try, but I think that there are economic interests to keep out everything that is outside the mainstream and that of course includes homeopathy.

DH:  Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me on behalf of American Homeopath’s readers.  With that we went our separate ways, leaving the lecture room still buzzing with people enthused by Dr Montagnier’s presentation.

If you would like to find out more about Dr Montagnier’s research, you may go to his web site http://montagnier.org.  The articles he has published on this phenomenon are: “Electromagnetic Signals are Produced by Aqueous Nanostructures Derived from Bacterial DNA Sequences.”  Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci (2009) and  “DNA Waves and Water.” Journal of Physics: Conference Series 306 (2011) 012007.

Natural Human DNA Immunity Wins

And it comes via the mother in utero from birth and breastfeeding. This is mammalian evolution, which comes DIRECTLY from the Red tribes, draco-reptilian, Red Dragon, and Red Serpent and their analogs, White Mirror and White Wizard who helped refine their attributes and vice versa.

Please keep in mind the resistance from their antipodes, Venusian Blue Monkey kin, and Jupiterian Blue Eagle kin.

Synchronicity; Ascension is Just Evolution Which is Nature

I just watched The Cosmic Secret again. There were pieces I missed.

We need to chill with the end of the cycle. Apocalypse means the great revealing. We are all children of God. Any secrets that have been withheld will come forward.

I feel we need to REMAIN in our community of choice where we feel safe and loved. Be ethical in your community. Be a Lightworker wherever you are. Get training if you need to BE OF SERVICE TO OTHERS, honor yourself, and see each person as a child of God.

I know I post on gender inequity a lot and I believe there are a few men out there who can deal with their feelings and be connected to their soul, I just haven’t met one yet. But I do believe they are out there.

In my holistic practice, I can’t help the fact that the women who come in have suffered, been punched, been disrespected and used, and more, and my work and example as an independent single woman give them hope. I don’t need a man…for anything. It’s up to each woman to stand on her own feet and refuse to be victimized by the patriarchal system. Same for the men. It’s the same system oppressing all of humanity. I see that.

I’ve also had male patients who were vets or hurt in work accidents or were hurt in prison! This is a rough planet and my patients all have stories. I minister to each one of them equally, for 23 years now. Everyone gets Reiki. Everyone can feel it. It’s real.

Do take a look at this movie again. It’s fascinating how our perception can change in 4 years. I think it’s dated 2019! The Cosmic Secret.

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They say he’s a Pfizer director but he seems like a hotdog to me. But maybe some corporate people are like that now. IDK.

A Personal Example of Sychronicity Yesterday

I was on the phone with my Mom. She brought up ancestry.com which I found to be fun because I would dial up key ancestors and see the synchronicity with current family members. It gives you all their birthdays. It I haven’t been on it for five years.

Meaning, as I’ve said before, family members incarnate into the same harmonic either in this current time or on either the CA or AC timeline that is the two strands of DNA. One goes to the past and one to the future. In every cell of our body is our past and our future! It’s the truth people. I see it in the Tzolkin all the time.

So, my mom starts talking about my two greats Grandmother Luettig and told me she was magical, a Healer, like me. I knew from my previous research that my 4 greats Grandmother Miner was also. I dialed up both of them in the oracle.

Mary Miner is my son’s Guide Power and Grandma Luettig comes right after Alex’s birth gateway; Red 12 Earth. She is White 13 Mirror. So both of these magical women are right on the beam with my awesome son who wants nothing more than to be of service on this planet and help as a social worker. He is very talented with art and music but doesn’t want to go that professional route, like me.They were helpers too, doing what I do. I’m so proud of him and we discuss how to empower and not be dysfunctional with clients. Humans always have an agenda and boundaries are #1.

I was working on Grandma Luettigs profile. Her birthday was April 16th, same as mine! She is Tone 13 also like me. And this was yesterday White 8 Wind. I dialed up her death day in the oracle. It came up WHITE 8 WIND.

That was all the confirmation I needed that she had reached the minds of mom and I, that we needed to research the ancestry of the magical woman and Healers in our family. There may even be a book there.

Mom was born in 1940 so her stories of her life just throw me. It was a completely different society back then. Some good, some bad. Much has improved also. Families knew each other and sat together and shared their lives. I did that with my huge family growing up and marvel at how much I remember those folks when I talk to my mom and sister.

We have a foot in all dimensions followers. Our ancestors from this life and lives on other worlds are with us still, as DNA in our bodies that is still evolving as RNA. That natural evolution is holy and so is THE FAMILY OF ALL LIFE.

Don’t put stuff, money, or tech ahead of sentient life whether it’s in the natural world, humans, or animals. Decide to give of yourself and find your mission maybe by getting to know your ancestors. Maybe you can learn how not to be also. That is a valuable lesson if they went down the wrong path. It’s all good.

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This has to do with big pharma messing with human RNA so it matters to this blog. Dr. Chavez is vindicated. If only he would get his sight back.

mRNA spike protein wasn’t the only thing autopsies found in people who died shortly after getting the jab.
Combined with insurance datasets showing the increase in deaths had a 1 in 390,632,286,180 chance of occurring spontaneously, this is a dagger through the heart for Pfizer and their crew.

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